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Friday, 16 February 2007 20:37
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These three men, who were branded as homosexuals, are rescued by the police after being locked inside the Monarch Pharmacy in St Andrew, Jamaica for about an hour yesterday. The man at front ducks after being hit on the head by a stone thrown by a member of the angry mob which had gathered outside the pharmacy and demanded that the three be handed over to them. (Photo: Garfield Robinson)

THREE men branded as homosexuals were yesterday rescued by the police from an angry mob outside a pharmacy in Tropical Plaza, where they had been holed up for almost an hour.

But even after the police managed to take the young men from the Monarch Pharmacy, one of the three was hit with a stone, forcing officers to fire tear gas on the crowd which included men, women, teenagers and small children.

The approximately 2,000 people gathered outside the Kingston pharmacy hurled insults at the three men, with some calling for them to be killed.

The crowd grew larger as the minutes ticked by and the three men and staff inside the pharmacy were visibly terrified as the mob demanded that they be sent out so they could administer their brand of justice. "Send them out!" shouted one man.

The men, who all had bleached-out faces, and dressed in tight jeans pants and skimpy shirts, were saved due to quick action by police from the St Andrew Central Division.

When the officers arrived and attempted to push the crowd back from the front door of the businessplace they were greeted with some resistance and when they attempted to escort the men to a police service vehicle, which was parked near to the entrance of the pharmacy, one of the alleged homosexuals was hit on the back of the head with a stone as he flashed a wry smile before attempting to hustle inside the police car.

The cops were forced to disperse the large mob by dispensing tear gas canisters and whisking the men away as the crowd scampered in all directions in an effort to escape the irritating fumes.

One man in the crowd was determined to get a chance to beat them and hurled insults at the police when they drove out of the premises.

"Unu can come save them nasty boy yah? Them boy yah fi go down," the man bellowed.

One woman expressed surprise at the brazenness of the men who were clearly displaying effeminate behaviour.
"Jamaica has lost its way if men think they can openly flaunt being gay without any consequences. We don't want that kind of open gay life in this country," the woman said.

Homosexuality is frowned upon in Jamaica and gay rights groups have constantly branded the island as anti-gay.

Under Jamaican law a male can be slapped with a sentence of up to nine years if caught in a compromising position with another man.

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Andrew   |Registered87.74.52.xxx |11-03-2007 20:32:56
I have to take things personal because it is where I'm from and it will always be an emotional subject because I still have family residing there and it so happens that my youngest sister who lives there is also a lesbian, so yes, it is personal.

The fact that you used the term "why not" in your comment implies that it's not being done or we haven't tried that solution.

I mentioned in my comment that it's people from certain sections of the island with limited understanding.

I would say that the people who remain silent are almost as bad as the perpetrators, but they fear for the repercussions for getting involved. Plain and simple. Remember, it was the workers at the pharmacy who protected these men. I applaud them for their kindness, because in doing what they did could have put their propery and their lives in danger. Again, I reteriate, there are a lot of things at play here, and while it is easy to look inside and have the most brilliant solutions, when you get to ground zero you soon realise that your supposed solutions will have to go through the window. People not getting involved is based on economics and safety, two things that people in Jamaica cannot afford to lose.

As for the politicians, they are probably the single most influential set of people in Jamaican society, but the majority of them are openly homophobic. The ones who are sympathetic keeps silent in case they lose votes and the ones who are gay keeps silent for fear of losing their vote or becoming an untouchable.
If we can get the politicans to take a different stance, we will be able to see some progress, but they just do not want to have dialogue with us. It's not an important subject for them to take out of their 'busy schedule'.

Saying that, there are however, people who make their voices heard. The following are just some examples.

1. Former Jamaican Attorney General and Justice Minister of Jamaica, Dr. Oswald Harding, stated that he felt that Jamaica law should follow the advice of the Wolfenden Committee in Britain and decriminalise homosexuality when it occurred between consenting adults in private.

2. The reggae artiste Tanya Stephens

3. The Express

4. School principal calls for ban on songs with negative lyrics

Other related article: Civilian to monitor cops' probe of gay man's murder (If this link does not open properly, you can Google the topic.)

I hope this sheds some more light on the situation.

Take care.
Simbul   |Registered68.55.4.xxx |10-03-2007 18:51:18
I think you took some things too personal and let emotions color your response that you didn't even know you were only making my point. Let me show you:

I never implied there wasn't efforts being made for change, but suggested ways to effect change which wouldn't bring danger to the advocates in Jamaica. Could you show me in my 3 postings where I implied there wasn't any effort being made?

1. I applaud you and the others on your deeds to address the homophobia there.

2. No I didn't sign the petition because I am new to this site and had not seen it. I will correct that.

3. You are in a better position to say the majority of Jamaicans do not support the mob mentality than I. The only questions I have are regarding the mob murders and this mob attack. If a minority were causing the problem, why didn't the majority shout them down? I am not saying you are wrong, but am asking for a possible explanation. Is there nationwide condemnation in Jamaican society and media for these types of attacks? I am searching for their critiques right now.

Peace, Simbul
Andrew   |Registered87.74.52.xxx |10-03-2007 12:39:54
As the Editor for this website (one of the reason for it's existence is to highlight plights like this in Jamaica) and as an expatriate Jamaican myself, my colleagues and I in the UK have been at the forefont of tackling homophobia in JA. We were instrumental in getting the few dance hall artists who were spewing out murder lyrics to cease or face a ban on performing in countries like the US, UK, Canada and other parts of Europe. We have constantly seeked dialogue with the Jamaican government and the Jamaican High Commission here in the UK. Action has to come from within and without. There are people in the US who are also working hard for their cause as well.

You are implying that we haven't looked at different ways of attacking the problem. Well, for every point that we score on the international front, we are in danger of putting gays and lesbians in danger. Unless a government is willing to have dialogue there is little anyone can do. Changing the law is one thing, educating the people is another.

1. When Brian Williamson (co-founder of JFLAG) was murdered in Jamaica, I, along with my partner and other notable people in the gay community in the UK demonstrated outside the Jamaican High Commission, and I talked about what it is like living in Jamaica as a gay person. That year the London gay pride was dedicated to his memory.

2. Even in that climate in Jamaica, activists was able to set up the JFLAG organisation.

3. For weeks on end we demonstrated outside concert halls where dance hall artists was due to perform, and we got most of them cancelled.

4. In the US and Canada individuals and organisations fought on that front to get these singers banned, and was successful in most cases.

5. On June 5, 2001, the Jamaica Forum for Lesbians, All-Sexuals and Gays (JFLAG), made a historic presentation to the Jamaican Parliament (the Joint Select Committee on the Charter of Rights) to make the case for protecting Jamaicans from discrimination on the ground of sexual orientation.

6. There is a petition online, right on this website, have you signed it?

7. The International Gay and Lesbain Human Rights Commission is there helping.

8. Sandals resort in Jamaica did not accept gay couples. Who do you think was instrumental for getting their adverts on taxi cabs dropped? Gays and lesbians in the UK. Now, gay couples are welcomed at Sandals resorts.

It's people we are dealing with here, not trucks and tanks, and there are no easy solutions. One has to weigh up all the pros and the cons and it's no point in vilifying an entire nation because of people from certain sections of the island with limited understanding.

Pressure can be applied for countries to change controversial laws, but the international community cannot "force" a sovereign country to change their laws.

There was a documentary on tv in the UK just a week ago where Stephen K Amos, a black gay comedian who travelled to Jamaica to confront the community.(Channel 4 Documentary - Batty Man). Only after that documentary, did many people really realise the level of homophobia in our community.

Jamaica have a different culture than in the US, and at the best of times it can be contradictory. Their mind-set is so storng that it's not surprising that an island of only of 2.6 million people influence the world with their music, food and vibrancy. The same spirit that makes Jamaicans good, also makes the bad ones really bad.

Unless you live in that culture you cannot even comprehend trying to change things unless you understand the mind-set. Reading the news is one thing, living it is another. It is not that simple and there are many factors to consider.

When people have strong views on a subject, they more than often get involved in trying to effect change.

The majority of people in Jamaica do not accept the mobbing of gay people and for you to say that is insulting to the majority of people who would not. Jamaicans are very vocal with their opinions, and while a few might actually harm individuals, the majority are decent people, even if they are not necessarily gay-friendly. I don't think the police in Jamaica is more corrupt than in the states and if you want to talk about corruption, you don't need to look far. The Jamaican law states that homosexuality is wrong and so long as they do not abuse these guys, they are only carrying out the job that they are being paid for. If the law changes, they would have to respect that as well, less they get sued for police brutality.

In closing, I would like to say that there are individuals and organisations out there who ware sympathetic to the plight of gays and lesbians in Jamaica. If you have a suggestion or would like to get involved, then please get in touch with them. The list is below.

Jamaica Forum for Lesbians All-sexuals and Gays - www.jflag.org
The Black Gay Mens Advisory Group - www.bgmag.org.uk
The International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Com...
Simbul   |Registered68.55.4.xxx |10-03-2007 04:55:56
The aftermath and the police weren't really helpful since they did the most physical abuse:

http://gaycitynews.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17884146&BRD=2729&PAG=461&dept_id=569346&rfi=6
Simbul   |Registered68.55.4.xxx |10-03-2007 04:51:28
First I am retired and loving it. I agree that you must fight the battle to become the victor, but you must choose your weapons and grounds. What would I do if I lived in such a homophobic environment? Hmmm...what about trying to contact the ex-pats and get them to advocate more for a change? Why not constantly contact the American Embassy to press them to advocate a change? Why not bombard the government with anonymous letters to advocate a change? Why not constantly pester the international rights organizations for advocation?

I wasn't meaning to imply that they should lie down and take it, and I apologize if it came off like that. I think that when you want to fight and win something, you must attack it strategically. The book "48 Laws of Power" is an excellent source. Lets think about it for a sec. You are in a country where the majority of people actually accept the mobbing of gay people and the government doesn't really try to prevent it. There is wide corruption in all levels (especially the police) and no true protection there. I cannot help but wonder what happened to those guys at the police station or the aftermath IF they were released to go home.

I think the fight for gay rights in Jamaica is a good thing, but has to be fought smartly to win.

Is that better?
jerome   |Registered62.30.182.xxx |09-03-2007 15:18:07
simbul....i'm guessing you're not gay in the US military (considering the ban on homosexuals). you probably have too much "commen sense" for that.
Andrew   |Registered87.74.53.xxx |09-03-2007 10:40:47
You might have done 18 years in the military and lived in various places, but let me ask you one question:

Have you ever lived in Jamaica?
Are you an 'out' gay man?

I was born in Jamaica and grew up there. I have known guys to dress-up like that in Jamaica, there was one that lived on my street and nobody used to beat him or anything like that. This kind of incident that happened to these guys are indicative of Kingston, especially the shanty towns.

For someone who was in the military, I don't think you have learnt anything or come to understand that people have to fight for their rights where there is oppression. And where there is oppression, people will get hurt trying to change the system, this does not change the fact that they shouldn't have been set upon.

Just because you know that something is likely to happen does not necessarily take away the element of surprise because you never know when it's going to come. If Jamaica changes the law on hnmosexuality tomorrow, we would still be surprised.

You don't have to dress a certain way in Jamaica to get beaten up. That can happent to you at anytime by people just suspecting that you are gay.

When you have experienced some of what I have in Jamaica, then you can talk about consequences. Where you live, fighting for your rights might be called WHINING, but where i'm from it's call "FIGHTING".
Simbul   |Registered68.55.4.xxx |08-03-2007 06:21:43
What is wrong with you people? I have done 18 years in the military and am gay. I have lived in the US, Japan, Singapore, Bahrain, Rota Spain, and Italy. In that time I have visited Maroc, Algiers, Egypt, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Costa Rica, Brazil, South Africa, China, etc... I am a martial artist (shorin ryu and arashii naginata). I am a veteran of a war also. Now let me tell you about a little COMMEN SENSE thing when it comes to your supposed rights!

Sure, you have the right to walk down the street wearing a BLEACHED face, purse (check the pic), and tight clothes in a 2nd world DEADLY-HOMOPHOBIC Carribean country like Jamaica.

What I cannot comprehend is some of your ASSUMED attonishments when they are attacked by mobs that have heavily expressed that they will KILL and HAVE anyone they SUPPOSE is gay. Why are you all acting either surprised???

Those guys lost their sense of survival and paid the price. It is just like here in the US. If I go jogging in Central Park at 0100 and get mugged/knifed, why am I sitting in recovery crying about my right to jog in a known crime area at that time of night?

YOU KNOW THE CONSEQUENCES, SO STOP WHINING.
jerome   |Registered62.30.182.xxx |27-02-2007 20:25:07
well said Andrew, its good to see there are some people with clear insight.
Andrew   |Registered87.74.33.xxx |28-02-2007 11:22:39
I agree with you that everyone is going to have different opinions on the subject because this is a debate that has been going for years now, but we all respect individual expressions, too bad that people in Jamaica do not think the same way.

These men did not do anything wrong, plain and simple. To say that they were by dressing the way they were, is really being naive and ignorant. These guys were expressing themselves. Don't you think they knew the environment they are living in is hostile towards them? What you are suggesting is that they should have pretended to be something they are not, and this will then make Jamaicans pretend that they are not there.

The previleges that we enjoy now as black people only came about by people putting their lives on the line for what they believe in. In the struggle to accept black people as individuals, there were people like you who was saying that they won't cause any problems. If these people were left to their own devices, we as black people would not be where we are today.

Changes doesn't come from hiding. Oppression doesn't stop by lying down, and as hard as it may be in Jamaica, some of us will get hurt in the process, fighting for who we are. Being on the front-line many times and as an out gay man, I applaud the men for what they did because at the end of the day, they did something that maybe one day, somebody related to you, who might be gay or lesbian will have an easier life in Jamaica. It might not be in your lifetime, but change will come.

People in Jamaica will have to get used to the fact that gays and lesbians do exist in their community. Plain and simple.

NB: Trust me, intelligent people do use "profanities". The word 'bullshit' can only be considered a profanity if i'm a Christian, and as I am not, and this site is not about Christianity I think I am safe in using it just as any other.
My_Opinion   |Registered64.12.116.xxx |27-02-2007 11:10:35
Everyone is going to have different opinions on this subject and you have to accept that and move on. I'd also like to add that intelligent people can get their views accross without the use of profanity. I never said that anyone was perfect. I never said that at all. The hypocracy of religion is the very reason why I am not a religious person myself so you saying to me "your religious beliefs" does not apply to me at all. I also clearly stated that I think it is wrong to cause Homosexuals bodily harm. You obviously didn't read my post properly. And the main religion in Jamaica IS Christianity making it a Christian country. That is the reason why I said it was a Christian country, not because I was trying to say that everyone there was perfect. :roll My point still stands, if they new the reaction they would get they shouldn't have put themselves in direct danger. Good day to you sir.
Andrew   |Registered87.74.71.xxx |27-02-2007 07:35:47
In response to 'My_opinion', what you have said is bullsh**, and you know it.

Lets put it another way:

Because of religious reasons Jamaica has one of the highest murder rates in the world, because of robbery, hatred, jealousy, arguments (just pick one).

Because your religious beliefs are so strong, you would 'conveniently' forget, Thou Shalt Not Kill, in order to murder gay people.

Because your religious beliefs are so strong, Those Without Sin, Cast the first stone.

Because of religious reasons every year thousands of women and girls in Jamaica are sexually assaulted in their communities, their schools, their workplaces, their homes and in the street.

Because of religious reasons two priests were murdered by gunmen. The Missionaries of the Poor care for more than 500 homeless and destitute people at five centers in downtown Kingston. More than 1,000 people receive clothes, food, and medical care from the Jesuit priests each day, yet these men were murdered.

So, don't tell me that Jamaica is a Christian country. I am originally from Jamaica and the country is divided into two categories, The Haves and The Have Nots. The Have Nots who happens to be gay are the ones that suffer the most because they tend to live in the inner communities and poor areas where people are more aggressive, angrier, frustrated, less educated or travelled (if at all).

The Haves are more tolerant amongst themselves and there is little risk of anyone attacking you if you're gay. It all comes down to Education, not Religion.

Jamaica is a country of selective morality. For a country that has resisted oppression for so long, her people have certainly learnt a lot in oppressing others.
My_opinion   |Registered64.12.116.xxx |25-02-2007 15:00:03
Jamaica is a Christian country, they are only doing what they think is right in the eyes of the Lord. If they know that Jamaica is anti-gay they should\'ve had more common sense than to walk in the middle of St.Andrew and flaunt it.
I agree that it is NOT right to cause them bodily harm but at the end of the day, if they knew the reaction they would get why did they add fuel to the fire?
Jamaicans (the majority)DO NOT support Gay people and that is how we are (due to religios reasons) and people need to accept that.We are not going to compromise our beliefs or sell ourselves out just to get more tourists. I do not support homosexuals and I am Jamaican (though not religious) but I DO NOT feel it is right to cause them bodily harm. Call that a contradiction if you like I do not care. At the end of the day, they should\'ve had more sense. If you know people aren\'t going to like it, why risk your life and do it anyway? Seems stupid to me. You know what they say, Better to be a chicken than a dead duck. Better safe than sorry.
Bee   |Registered80.41.117.xxx |24-02-2007 12:49:32
Dee...I fully agree with you. If you know its not a wise thing to do...(Esp in Kingston) dont do it.
omegab   |Registered |22-02-2007 20:38:16
considering how many of these bad bwoys from jamdown love wearing designer clothes,shoes, vulgar jewellery and funked out hair do\'s (most of which have been created by gay men),it amazes me how sickeningly homophobic these people are, either they are mislead souls or just blatantly ignorant.How they can be so hyprocritical is obvious... they really do not know any better... hence why a lot of them \'conform\' when they arrive in civalisation. :roll
fierce   |Registered62.30.182.xxx |20-02-2007 21:43:02
these guys are great and should be admired for their bravery not vilified. some peeps have a backbone and are very strong in difficult circumstances .they are proud of who they are n its against their nature to be a coward n be on downlow . jamaica needs to change n get with 2007 not them
brixtonman   |Registered80.229.159.xxx |19-02-2007 21:24:21
It's very sad that people can get so angry about this. There is much else that hurts Caribbean people.

These lads were cheeky and defiant and they are gay. None of that merits harming them.
hemo   |Registered88.107.169.xxx |19-02-2007 09:43:48
I agree! you dam well no they dont take them tings with ease over in jam. just a hint of gayness will get ya shot. its not right but we know thats how it is at the moment, how it was in the past, and maybe how it will still be in the future...
Topher   |Registered83.104.233.xxx |18-02-2007 11:33:51
Dee you are completely wrong. Nobody deserves to be stoned or threatened with murder for going about their daily business. Jamaica as a Country and its people are committing human rights abuses by threatening to Kill and by actually killing people who are Gay or Lesbian.

The laws in Jamaica are backward and oppressive. Gay men and women exist in JA as much as they do any where else. We should be supporting those who live there and are prepared to stand up and be counted as same gender loving.

Don't get it twisted. Gay rights are Human rights.
Dee   |Registered193.35.134.xxx |17-02-2007 14:31:24
they deserve it, why the f**k u gone in the middle of kgn dressed in tight jeans and make-up. its ja, what the f**k they all expect. they aint gonna be accepted overnight. as far as i care, i dont know why u need to be shouting who u sleep wid in public anyway. at leasgt somebody saved them. hope they all learned their lessons!!!
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